Is talking really better than not talking?
Wednesday was Eric’s birthday so I texted him happy birthday. Then he asked me if I had any free time that day so I told him around lunch time. Then we talked for about maybe 50 minutes on the phone. I had to walk on the street back and forth as we talked on the phone and it was a windy cold day. I caught a cold that evening and am still recovering from it.
Prior to this call we had not talked to each other for about 4 months or more. From the brief occasional text exchanges I already felt like blocking him because he has not been emotionally available. In this phone call he thought it was difficult for us to connect. He tried to intellectualize things again. He started to talk about his relationship patterns (not just romantic ones) and he thought he was a boundary dragger, and he thought I was one too. He created this word—it meant that we tended to push or blur the boundaries that were traditionally set for other people. For example, when he came to visit me in the City of Rain, I wanted to take him for a scenic drive, and he wouldn’t, thinking that we’d definitely end up doing something sexual as a result and I had been telling him nothing would happen. He thought me asking to go on a scenic drive meant that I was dragging his boundary, although he didn’t say it loudly i knew he meant that he was married and i shouldn’t ask him to do that. I said to him, “if people think I’ve pushed their boundary they have a choice to back away. By the way, all the things I wanted to do with you, I’ve done all of them with my coworker—we went fine dining, scenic drive, hot springs, and singing.” Then he asked him, “did you also give them a one-minute long hug?” I said, “No we didn’t touch each other because we work in the same office and we see each other every day.” I told him that he was trying to make it all my problem that I was the one who wanted to go on a scenic drive with him and to give him a one-minute hug. If that crossed the boundary he could have said no, and he said he couldn’t because it felt good but it wasn’t his point and yet he hadn’t made his point. Then we were talking about things only on the surface, because that’s just who he say, always intellectualizing. We talked about him getting older, more gray hair, and since I don’t have any gray hair yet, he teased me that I’ll get there next time he sees me, and I said “sure you mean 20 years later.”
I had to go back to work so we ended the call half way through. He then texted me saying i was being so difficult that day. I replied “Sometimes I feel that you don’t really understand me or maybe you do but you want to avoid talking to me in a way that shows you understand me.” He replied “Just because I may disagree with what you say doesn’t mean I don’t understand you”. I said, “do you really understand me tho?” He said, “Do you not understand me? I said, “I do but I think you overestimate how much you understand me.” He said, “lol just because I’m not reacting the way you want me to react doesn’t mean I don’t understand. You maybe under the assumption that if I fully understand, I will behave in a certain way.” I said, “OK so it’s the latter, you want to avoid talking to me in a way that shows that you understand me”. He said, “actually I wanted to get to one thing close to this topic, but we ran out of time today. This isn’t exactly it but I can understand how you perceive it that way. So part 2 Friday, what time is good?” Then we scheduled a time for Friday to talk.
We talked for almost 2 hours on Friday during my work hours. I started talking to him on my way to get lunch. I asked him to make his point right away, and he said a conversation needed to have a flow and i was being too…he used a word but I forgot what he said; basically I was pretty agitated talking to him. I told him he had no idea what I had lived through in the past few months. I told him about a road rage incident and another incident some white guy verbally aggressed me in a parking lot because i have a disability badge on my wind shield. He said i was giving that guy too much reaction and time—i should have just laughed at him and walked away. I said to him, “No. you’re supposed to tell me, Kendra I’m sorry this happened to you. If I were there I’d beat the hell out of this guy.” He laughed and said, “and then I’d get sent to jail?” After maybe 20 minutes of me being agitated like this, I sat down to have my lunch and I asked him to get to his point. What exactly was in part 2? The conversation flew really quickly that we covered so many things so I wasn’t exactly sure what he intended to talk about in the first place. I told him I now see people and how i relate to them like concentric circles (my talk therapist Ana taught me this); some are in my inner circle, some are in the middle circle, and some are on the outer circle. But people are dynamic and they move around on the spectrum of circles; sometimes they can be in my inner circle and then they move away to the outer circle or just out of the circles.
He said it wasn’t that he didn’t want to talk to me; it’s that people have limitations in their life—they have obligations, a career, or emotional and mental limitations. He said he really wants to change the structure of his life but it takes time. To me it all sounded like because he’s married he couldn’t talk to me more, or as much has he’d like and I don’t think he’d ever divorce his wife. I said, “sure, but that still means they’ve made a choice to prioritize those things over me”. He said, “ok but we also have this distance thing between us.” I said, “yes, and maybe if you move to Portugal, we’ll be in a totally different time zone and we won’t be able to talk again.” He said, “i already sleep on a different schedule from people and it’s like I’m living in a different time zone anyway.” I continued, “also we probably won’t see each other again and we can’t have any activities together. When you move to a new place, you’re gonna meet new people.” Then he said, “where did you get this script? This is the classic abandonment script!” I told him that on Thursday a coworker of mine made me lunch and brought it to the office for me (It was Jinu. See PS) and I also told him that about a week ago, there was one day after work that I wanted to talk to him so badly because I was bullied by a supervisor at work. I wished i could talk to him so badly that I cried in my car. The most surprising thing was that the moment I told him this, my tears fell down reflexively. I am someone who was really good at suppressing tears but I don’t know why i couldn’t suppress them at all. He said, “you wanted to talk to me and yet you didn’t tell me anything about it?” I said, “No, because I know you’d probably laugh or tease me or tell me you don’t have the bandwidth for it. So i talked to my coworkers.” He said, “No I’d want to talk to you if you had let me know you needed to talk. You’re making all these assumptions but the only way you can find out is to actually let me know that you want to talk.” I said, “No. If you go back to our text exchanges over the past few months you can see that I already had enough evidence that you don’t want to talk.”
He also talked about that how his ADHD often makes people feel that he’s not thoughtful, and that’s been hurting his career, friendships and relationships. I told him if he was not a thoughtful person, I would not remember him for so many years. He also said that his memory is not as good as mine, and it just reminded me of so many fights I’ve had with Angel—“I have limitations”, or his mom goes “everyone has limitations”, or Angel goes “I’m doing my best” and me goes “your best is not good enough. If that’s your best, why can’t you just let me free?”
Then Eric said to me that he thought I had always kept him in the friend zone since we first met in 2012. I immediately said, “that’s absolutely not the case. You have never been in my friend zone.” Then he asked, “so you have wanted to have sex with me?” I said, “sure.” Then he asked, “then how come you have never made a move on me? How much self control do you have?” I said, “this is why you don’t understand me. At age 5, I was able to suppress my tears when i was beaten just to make sure that my mom wouldn’t feel guilty.” I continued, “in my entire of knowing you you were never available once. When we were walking on the street in the City of Gold, we ran into your friends they thought i was your then girlfriend and called me Cassie or whatever her name was. Then after you moved to the City of East, you said you’d come visit me and you never did because you started a new relationship. It just made me feel that I am never important enough for you. Even now I am still not important enough for you.” I really can’t recall the order of these exchanges but in the entire conversation he kept saying he really cared about me. At one point he also said that he was sorry I felt this way and i replied, “ah this triggers me because Angel’s family has said that to me hundreds of times every time when something happens to me, as if it was my feeling that was the problem not what happened to me.” I also told him that I felt he didn’t even remember the things he had said to me and the things he had asked me not to forget. He said that his life is a mess right now—his wife has chosen not to renew her contract at her school so that they can move out of Manila, but Eric doesn’t even know where to move to next, although he’s trying to get citizenship in Portugal so that he can renounce his US citizenship. Eric said he’s unemployed, doesn’t have an income, and he does some consulting work but it pays so little so it’s just wasting his time; they also need to move out of their current apartment since they’ll both be jobless soon. When I heard this, I had lots of flashbacks—mostly my laughters with Jinu actually and some images or maybe ideas of Eric lacking capacity (it was a weird feeling because to me the flashbacks were visual and yet the ideas were abstract and couldn’t be visualized”, so i said to him, “our school needs a Chinese teacher.”
He asked, “has this been posted?” I said, “yes. It’s in the high school though.” Then I forwarded him the info for the job application and said to him, “if your wife gets this job, you owe me a big one.” He said, “yes”.
When I decided to send him the position for his wife, I felt that I closed the door further on him. Maybe we will just be friends forever. At one point of our conversation, he said I was a friend who he would never sleep with, and I’m starting to wonder if he has some symptoms of Alzheimer’s or he’s starting to reframe things in a way that soothes himself by creating cognitive dissonance. I sometimes think that he’s full of shame and guilt, and by reframing our relationship as just “friend zone”, as “me never having the intention to sleep with him” he doesn’t need to face his grief and regret that when he once had a window in his life, he chose not come to visit me in the City of Rain and just moved into another toxic relationship.
Also at another point of our conversation, I asked him “What exactly do you want?” He said, “I think you and I want the same things in life.” It’s something about secure attachment—to be seen, to be held when I’m scared. He also said that he doesn’t have that in his life and has never had that in his life. He kept saying that we’re like each other’s mirror but we somehow move in the opposite direction. He also apologized for always teasing me. He explained that in his family teasing means closeness and in my culture too. I told him teasing is also my family culture but when someone is vulnerable and you still tease them then that’s unhealthy and toxic. If he’s getting therapy he should know that (and he has been getting therapy but his plan to get a psychology degree fell apart).
Then I really had to go back to work so I told him good luck with the job application and I’d send him what I wrote this week in the writer’s club.
Here’s what he said, “How do you feel after writing this?” I said, “Not sure. We were given a prompt and had to write something in 20 minutes. Most people can only write 2 to 3 sentences. The topic is “parallel writing” so the hobby of biking is a parallel to my character development.” He didn’t reply again.
Before I went to bed, I sent one more text, “I think the problem with the ‘mirror’ is that the image is sealed inside the glass. You can see it, perceive it but you can’t feel it or hold it and if you try to feel it you can’t only feel the cold glass in between the images.” He replied, “Is this a complicated way of saying you miss me?” I said, “it’s way more than that. There’s longing for lost time and memories, grief for the fact there’s always a barrier between us that prevents real holding, and also despair from that I’m always much more complicated than what others can understand.” He said, “that’s understandable.”
After all these exchanges, I just wonder whether it was better to talk or not to talk. Whether it’s better or not depends on how things unfold in life but since we don’t know how things unfold in life we can’t know whether it’s better or not to talk or not.
PS. So yes, Jinu made me beef curry rice for my lunch on Thursday. He loves to cook, and often brings his own lunch to work and asks me to try his food. The other day he made shrimp pasta and he told me how he peeled the shrimps himself rather than buying pre-peeled shrimps. When i tried his pasta, he even told me to get one shrimp. I double checked with him because i didn’t want to deprive him of his protein and he insisted i take one. After I ate it I told him that in the future when he makes his own lunch he should make extra for me. I’d pay him 20 bucks per week for my meal plan. He agreed but he had to think about what he’d be making. Then on Wednesday he brought beef curry to work and told me when he was making it, he kept thinking what i said about processed food. OK so this is another story because the other day he brought his own breakfast to work—just plain yoghurt with oatmeal and i told him even though the breakfast seemed homemade, the yoghurt was actually mass produced so he wouldn’t know what preservatives they put into the yoghurt. So when Jinu making his beef curry, he was wondering if the oil he put in was processed, the curry was processed etc. He told me he made a big pot of it, so I asked him “then where’s my share?” He said he’d bring it to me for lunch the next day. Thursday morning, he brought the lunchbox to me and it was absolutely delightful. He made an egg and folded into a perfect triangle to cover the curry and rice. There were string beans laid on the side and it was really delicious. I did feel very pampered that morning. But actually, the night before i baked apple pies (made by my from scratch) at home and brought him one in the morning as well. Friday morning when he saw me on my way to work while I was eating an egg while walking, he said, “that egg is golden because the yolk is golden.” It’s our inside joke from the omasake teppanyaki meal we had together. I laughed and said “I was gonna say the something about the egg you put on the curry rice.” The after work on Friday I sent him a picture of the lunchbox he made me with the text on the side “golden eggs, green string beans, brown curry, orange carrots in a lunchbox”. He replied “GOLDEN FROM THE YOLK”. I replied, “Oh and the curry de rice tastes like curry”. He replied, “Really??? I wonder why….” I said, “Because you must have put curry in it.” He replied, “so he gives of a curry taste?” I said, “Oh yes, and the black pepper in the curry also tastes like black peppers.” He sent me a laughing emoji and i said “I think eventually we’ll get tired of these jokes.” And he sent another laughing emoji.
But weekends are always the hardest. I still have to see Angel’s stupid face a lot and nobody would send me any care. My father has also been asking me if I could bring the boys to see him because it’s been a few months. I don’t want to but a part of me still feels some pity for him. I told him I couldn’t because I’ve been sick. This actually may have been the flu because on Friday i felt like i was dying, even though i still worked all day and when i talked to Eric on the phone I told him i was dying and my whole body was hurting. Weekends are the days when people go back to their real life—their partners, their dates, their friends. Jinu doesn’t really text me or initiate to ask me out on weekends. After I had invited him to go on a bike ride two weekends in a row and that his timing couldn’t work, I decided that I don’t want to initiate again because who knows next time what his reason for not going could be. Maybe he’d ask me for my advice about the route so that he can do it with his date or girlfriend. Weekends and days off are so unbearable for me.
A couple of weeks ago I texted Eric a few pictures from my bike ride on the coastline. One thing led to another, I told him my HRV is lower on weekends not because of my kids but because of the people I had to deal with, and that I have no one to talk to during breaks. And he asked why he was no one, and I asked him when was the last time we talked, and he said just the past Thursday. I told him that’s called “texting” not “talking”. He said talking was also possible and I told him “It’s ok. I prefer that people want to talk to me rather people talk to me because I wanna talk to them”. He said, “that presupposes that people always and only reach out to you when they want to talk to you, and the rest of the time they don’t want to talk to you, which is false. Especially nowadays. People spend most of their lives distracted. Doesn’t mean that in the midst of those mostly meaningless distractions, they wouldn’t actually prefer to be talking with you.” I said, “:)I get it.” He replied, “particularly for me, since I’m a night owl, I tend to think of people during hours that are normal for me but may seem odd to contact others.”



